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Post by Ebuler on Aug 13, 2005 8:09:12 GMT 2
No Canberra today ... the Navigator or Pilot had a cold as was not allowed to fly by the doctor (according to Ursel Radio) , always the same thing , intersting planes are always cancelled , any idea if there's a change if he will arrive today or tomorrow? I don't think so , Canberra is canceled were the exact words I'm afraid ... The planes of VCU were waiting to start their flights untill the Canberra has arrived, but around 1415 they were allowed to start because he was cancelled
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Post by Vonsmalhausen on Aug 13, 2005 23:04:03 GMT 2
had a visit to this event today, i must say it's the most chaotic organization i saw the last 25 years it took me longer to get from the parking to the actual event, than from Brussels to Ursel i crossed a LOT of people who where complaining and disappointed about organization, and didn't get further than the parking and then left because they just didn't get on a bus to get them from the end of the parking to the entrance beside off that, the "wing" section was really disappointing ; just a Flamand, a Spit and Mustang and the Fiat G44, further nothing worth the visit just to say : if the landing of the Seaking is the highlight of the day...... that tells a lot about the event (not that i have something against the mighty SeaKing ) next time that i have to choose between W&W and the Fly-Inn at Schaffen, i'll be at Schaffen
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Post by wingswheeler on Aug 16, 2005 22:19:15 GMT 2
I'm also disapointed with the rather small static display. But we had more warbirds in Ursel then ever seen. And now a reaction on the last message on this forum of experts : Do you know in what kind of weather conditions the airplanes had to take off from bases in whole Europe to reach Ursel during the whole weekend? ? If you are an "expert" in aviation then you have to know that the meteo is the most important factor for an old aircraft to fly. AND YES there was a wind of 25-30 knots cross on the runway, dangerous enough to destroy all kind of aircraft. And yes, in Schaffen and Overboelare they had the same problem. Pilots takes no risk, and I had respect for their discission to cancel the flight to Ursel. In staid of supporting people who try to organise one of the rare events in Belgium you destroy them, congrats Vonsm... The Canberra was cancelled due the sickness of the navigator. There was only ONE navigator available on the Canberra, the other 2 where on vacation. We had several contacts on Friday to try to get an other aircraft of the RAF and Mr Grant Macintosh, head of RAF displays, tryed everything to reach another aircraft, but finaly it was impossible to find another aircraft for the whole weekend...
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Post by Fabke on Aug 20, 2005 10:57:33 GMT 2
Always the weather this year , I hope we have better weather next year as lots of events were "destroyed" by the rain and clouds we had this airshow season , I can understand very well that it is dangerous to let these old/light planes fly with this kind of weather Keep up the good work and let's already look out for the 2006 event of Wings and Wheels with hopefully lots of interesting planes and SUN
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Post by wingswheeler on Aug 20, 2005 16:14:45 GMT 2
Thanks Fabke,
Due to the parking problems and other reasons we will cut the event in two pieces on two dates. Wings And Wheels is growing to fast and we can't handle it as planned. So next year there will probably be a Wings weekend and a Wheels weekend. And yes, one of the aircraft is already 90% sure to come, ... the AWACS! The theme for next year is 65 year Battle of Barbarossa, this means a lot of Russian birds at Ursel like Yak, Polikarpov, Antonov,... , Mig?... I will keep you all informed, the organisation will start next month. Everybody can send some pictures of the 2005 edition to marnix@wingsandwheels.be, he will put the pics on the WAW website with your name on it!
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Post by Chrisse on Aug 20, 2005 17:47:25 GMT 2
And yes, one of the aircraft is already 90% sure to come, ... the AWACS! Hehehe, what did I win? Sounds like a cool theme, hopefully you can get some interesting oldies. Perhaps I can make it there too for that edition.
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Post by Fabke on Aug 20, 2005 23:38:41 GMT 2
Great , an AWACS at Ursel , bring back memories to me of those good old days when there were still airshows organised at Ursel , but I'm affraid this is now history I can understand that it's no more possbile to organise this in Belgium due the high costs of insurances for these kind of events and many other things such as safety , ... Anyway , I'm already looking out for next year's event. Have lots of photos from last Saturday , so if interested , let me know , some photos can already be found here fafafabe.proboards30.com/index.cgi?board=Photos5&action=display&thread=1123970234
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Post by Djamald on Aug 21, 2005 12:27:33 GMT 2
In staid of supporting people who try to organise one of the rare events in Belgium you destroy them I do not think we have to overreact here. About the cancellations: well, we are living in Western Europe and the weather does not like warbirds over here , so SH :-XT Happens. About the organisation: I liked the atmosphere on the field and the whole event. But I also think that you can not deny that there was a serious problem entering the field (saturday morning 09.15, there was a waiting time of 1/2 hour to get in). Lets hope we have another good organised event in 2006.
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Post by Vonsmalhausen on Aug 22, 2005 0:57:55 GMT 2
I'm also disapointed with the rather small static display. But we had more warbirds in Ursel then ever seen. And now a reaction on the last message on this forum of experts : Do you know in what kind of weather conditions the airplanes had to take off from bases in whole Europe to reach Ursel during the whole weekend? ? If you are an "expert" in aviation then you have to know that the meteo is the most important factor for an old aircraft to fly. AND YES there was a wind of 25-30 knots cross on the runway, dangerous enough to destroy all kind of aircraft. And yes, in Schaffen and Overboelare they had the same problem. Pilots takes no risk, and I had respect for their discission to cancel the flight to Ursel. In staid of supporting people who try to organise one of the rare events in Belgium you destroy them, congrats Vonsm... The Canberra was cancelled due the sickness of the navigator. There was only ONE navigator available on the Canberra, the other 2 where on vacation. We had several contacts on Friday to try to get an other aircraft of the RAF and Mr Grant Macintosh, head of RAF displays, tryed everything to reach another aircraft, but finaly it was impossible to find another aircraft for the whole weekend... first ; i never, ever pretented to be an expert, and if those vistors cancel the're participation, i know there's a good reason for that ( that does not change the fact that i'm dissapointed with it ) second ; i REALY appriciate even the smalest effort from a organisation to bring us spotters a nice event. but if you read my post on this event carefully : you can read that it was not realy the show that dissapointed me ( i've been to events with less participaters than this one ) that was just the drop to mutch. but it was just the chaotic way of getting there that pissed me off ( sorry for this use of languige, but i don't see another way to "say" it ) just today at BRU, i met a spotter who was at W&W also, and had the same thoughts about organisation. as i said in my previous post : a lot of people just returned to there car at the point where you had to take a bus to cover the last few hundrets of meters to get from the parking to the actual entrance ; with a real bad feeling about organisation. at least ; i did the effort to get tru all these hindernisses. splitting the event in a separated Whings and a Wheels day may be a good idee, aldo i'm sure that the event is good the way it is. my only big critism is : do something about that chaotic organisation : driving along a little road for several kilometers to get in a que for about 30 minutes to pass a single entrance post for the parking, where you have to walk for, let's say 1 km, to get to a post where they tell you that you have to wait for a bus that has place to let you on it ( because you could have taking that bus 1 km earlier,.... if only somebody, ore a sign would have told you ) to make the last 500 meters but of-course, these busses passes by, because they where filled with people who get on the bus while they walked along the parking, letting those who dicided to take the long walk to the entrance stranded with just a few hundrets of meters to go i assure you, if you stand it tru all this to get in, and then find out that participation is rather poor ( wathever the reason may be ) well, you don't return with a happy feeling at home. again ; don't get me wrong : i appriciate what you are doïng for us, but there's a lot to improve
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Post by wingswheeler on Aug 22, 2005 9:58:48 GMT 2
Thanks people !
Next week we start working on the 2006 edition and I will try to do everything to make it more easy to visit WAW, altough it will be not easy to find a solution. The way it worked at the 2004 edition was the best way but the high security rules changed everything in 2005 and we know that it failed on that reason.
Take a look the next days on the WAW site (www.wingsandwheels.be) to see the pictures of 2005. Feel free to adjust some pictures of your own by sending them to the webmaster of the site.
Thanks, and sorry for the fustration I worked out on this site ...
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Post by Vonsmalhausen on Aug 22, 2005 14:47:30 GMT 2
Thanks, and sorry for the frustration I worked out on this site ... no problem i felled no frustration at all i hope you can work-out a good solution for the next edition
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